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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:27:00 -
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I was of the opinion that ECM was an I WIN BUTTON or 5 however after skilling up a Falcon and testing it out, yes there are times when you will permajam, however there are also times when you will miss a jam or two. At under 10k ehp, 20 seconds of no jamming is death.
So it only seems like its OP, its somewhat like the guy who gets robbed by a person of another race and then thinks that that race are all robbers because he failed to notice the 99.9% of that race who didn't rob him. We always notice when things go wrong but not when they don't.
The same thing can happen with an Arazu, except it can 100% damp you down to 5k permanantly and 100% reliably, or a curse that can tracking disrupt you 100% and nuet your cap 100% of the time.
People don't like sitting there unable to relock but the above 2 ships do exactly the same thing... 100% of the time... why don't they ruin pvp? |
Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:48:00 -
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Jonas Staal wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I was of the opinion that ECM was an I WIN BUTTON or 5 however after skilling up a Falcon and testing it out, yes there are times when you will permajam, however there are also times when you will miss a jam or two. At under 10k ehp, 20 seconds of no jamming is death. Aren't ECM-ships typically far away?
If its a solo fight vs an ecm ship and its far away you can simply warp off. If its you solo vs a gang you're dead anyway. If its you and your gang vs another gang then you can damp the ecm ship, or you can snipe the ecm ship or you can get a warp in to him... |
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:52:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:The same thing can happen with an Arazu, except it can 100% damp you down to 5k permanantly and 100% reliably, or a curse that can tracking disrupt you 100% and nuet your cap 100% of the time.
People don't like sitting there unable to relock but the above 2 ships do exactly the same thing... 100% of the time... why don't they ruin pvp? Because they give the ILLUSION of a chance. It's entirely psychological. Celestis w/4 Damps applied with lock range to a Harb; 7.82K Range. Celestis w/4 Damps applied with lock range to a Harb that has 1 Scripted Sebo; 12.52K Range. Thats quite a lot different to being jammed.
Actually 3 damps + 2 inverted signal field projector rigs applied to a Harb by a Celestis damps the Harb to 10.6k. 4 damps to Harb down to 8.6k, less then the range of a scram. There is no missed damp that allows you to blap the Celestis.
In comparison, a blackbird jamming an ECCM fitted Harb gets a jam 25.6 % of the time. So 74.6% of the time it applies its racial jammer to your harb it fails and you get to blap its 6k ehp. If it tries to use its non-racial jammer it fails 92% of the time. If it has a multispectral backup that fails 83% of the time.
I know what I'd rather be using, Celestis with damps :) |
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:27:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I was of the opinion that ECM was an I WIN BUTTON or 5 however after skilling up a Falcon and testing it out, yes there are times when you will permajam, however there are also times when you will miss a jam or two. At under 10k ehp, 20 seconds of no jamming is death.
So it only seems like its OP, its somewhat like the guy who gets robbed by a person of another race and then thinks that that race are all robbers because he failed to notice the 99.9% of that race who didn't rob him. We always notice when things go wrong but not when they don't.
The same thing can happen with an Arazu, except it can 100% damp you down to 5k permanantly and 100% reliably, or a curse that can tracking disrupt you 100% and nuet your cap 100% of the time.
People don't like sitting there unable to relock but the above 2 ships do exactly the same thing... 100% of the time... why don't they ruin pvp? In fact, ECM is not so overpowered in fleet vs fleet pvp. But when you solo, a falcon means most of the time death. The only way to deal with it is to run far from it to begin engagement... But with a little luck, a falcon that pass a cycle and you lose your scramble, your web, your tracking, disrupt, your turrets... Really bad. It is not the point of this thread. This thread is about the fact that even with three ECCM modules you can be permajammed by e Blackbird... I find this really hard.
Sorry but I don't believe you. If you had 3 ECCM on you would have a 90ish sensor strength. Even if the Blackbird had every mid filled with Radar jammer's the odds of jamming you are less than 50%. Its likely that he had 1 of each and perhaps a multispec which puts his jamming chance against you at 15%. Unless you died in 2 seconds its very unlikely you were permajammed the whole fight. Its statistically bullcrap. |
Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:36:00 -
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Beckett Firesnake wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sorry but I don't believe you. If you had 3 ECCM on you would have a 90ish sensor strength. Even if the Blackbird had every mid filled with Radar jammer's the odds of jamming you are less than 50%. Its likely that he had 1 of each and perhaps a multispec which puts his jamming chance against you at 15%. Unless you died in 2 seconds its very unlikely you were permajammed the whole fight. Its statistically bullcrap.
You are right there was a moment of about 6 seconds where I was not jammed between two cycles. The fight was not very long. Not really useful information.
So basically he got one or two jams on you while you were being ganked and you think it wasn't fair?? Fair enough. Must remember though, jamming is the role of the Blackbird and it doesn't even do it very well anymore so I can't see the problem. |
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